Spring length

[Nekrotek]

Is this correct?

Short spring length = Short stroke + contact closer to the Coil = faster machine I.E. Liner set up.

Long spring length = long stroke = slower machine Contact father away from the coil = I.E. Shader set up.


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trying to get tunning down, Think my color/shaders are running to fast and hitting to hard. "both machines came with same lenght springs" I ordered some new springs from Jack, shader, liner sets, but they were not marked for which is which. Wanting to make sure I'm 100% for this set up.

[Essex Boy]

also the gauge of the spring makes a difference to the running of the machine but man it gets quite technical not just the front but the back too
try having a look at Eikons web site they have got a fair bit of technical on springs set up
hope that helps
guys :?:

[voodoo]

i would also get there mag machinegun,wich will help u figure it out!
plus a lot depends on your style too! :wink:

[Nekrotek]

I know there are a ton a varibles in seting up a machine, but in the basics of spring lenght this is correct?

[Essex Boy]

sorry Nekrotek misunderstood the question
in basics Yes

[Rattus]

length doesn't equal stroke.

[voodoo]

stroke is determened by adjusting your c/p.but,springs do affect the stroke>
spring basics
shorter-wider-thicker all act harder
longer-narowwer-thinner all act softer

[Rattus]

The stroke length of a machine is determined by the distance of travel of the armature bar from it's highest point to it's lowest while the machine is running.

MAIN SPRING ANGLE OF DEFLECTION is critical. There must be enough angle of deflection to establish desired stroke length and timing spring compression.

The main spring angle of deflection can only be measured without a timing (front) spring on the machine. It can be measured as the distance between the top of the front coil core and the bottom of the armature bar without a timing spring on the machine.


MAIN SPRING TENSION refers to the size of the main spring angle of deflection gap (measured at front coil core without front spring on machine) compared to the size of the air gap (measured at front coil core when machine is set up). The greater the difference between these two gaps, the greater the main spring tension.

The dimensions of the TIMING SPRING are:

Working Length
Width (with consideration of taper)
Thickness

The AIR GAP is the open distance between the top of the front coil core and the bottom surface of the armature bar, measured when the machine is at rest.

The POINT GAP is is the open distance between the contact point screw and the top surface of the timing (front) spring, measured with the armature bar making contact with the front coil core.

The air gap and point gap are adjusted by the contact point screw. The adjustment of the contact point screw is made to balance the air gap and the point gap. At what point this harmonious balance will be achieved is determined by the relationship of of the timing spring (front spring) and the main spring (back spring).

How a tattoo machine is running is referred to as machine function or machine set-up. There are two factors that describe machine function. They are:

the speed of the machine
the force of the machine
The REQUIRED SPEED of a machine is determined by the tattooing process being done. An outlining machine runs faster than a machine used for coloring. A machine used for shading runs at a speed somewhere between the two. The exact speed at which a machine should run is dependent upon each tattoo artist's style and personal preferences.

The REQUIRED FORCE of a machine is determined by the needle configuration being used. Closely spaced needle configurations require more force. Needle configurations with more or larger diameter needles require more force. Needle configurations made of short taper needles require more force than similar configurations made of long taper needles.

Machine function is the working outcome of the combination of the parts and adjustments that are present on a specific machine set-up. Any alteration to machine function becomes complex due to the interactions of the machine systems.

How a tattoo machine is running is referred to as machine function or machine set-up. There are two factors that describe machine function. They are:

the speed of the machine
the force of the machine
The REQUIRED SPEED of a machine is determined by the tattooing process being done. An outlining machine runs faster than a machine used for coloring. A machine used for shading runs at a speed somewhere between the two. The exact speed at which a machine should run is dependent upon each tattoo artist's style and personal preferences.

The REQUIRED FORCE of a machine is determined by the needle configuration being used. Closely spaced needle configurations require more force. Needle configurations with more or larger diameter needles require more force. Needle configurations made of short taper needles require more force than similar configurations made of long taper needles.

Machine function is the working outcome of the combination of the parts and adjustments that are present on a specific machine set-up. Any alteration to machine function becomes complex due to the interactions of the machine systems.

[Miss Disaster]

Yeah, same name club here in Tampa, my hubby used to go there all the time before we met, cause before all the laws, the girls were completely nude and they'd give ya a peppermint, squat in front of you and let you blow on their.........................shoooooosh ! /// I was wondering, do you have to get certain springs to go with certain machines? I mean, can I mix and match, if I buy from different companies? Also, I just changed out my front spring on my colorer/shader last night, it had a nasty burn mark from the contact screw, does this mean my machine is too fast? I mean, it's only a few months old. Thanks for any replies.

[FORGIVEN]

if its only a few months old , you are probaly hittin a little hard !!!

[Miss Disaster]

Hey Forgiven, how could I make it have a softer hit but still pack in color? thanks!

[FORGIVEN]

slow down your machine , hold your finger against the armature bar , slowy turn it up ,when it stops bogging down , set your screw , then fine tune the contact screw ...this is just the way i do things , hope it helps :D !!!!

[Miss Disaster]

Thanks Forgiven, I'll try that. :D

[xxxMDKxxx@Gmail.com]

slow down your machine , hold your finger against the armature bar , slowy turn it up ,when it stops bogging down , set your screw , then fine tune the contact screw ...this is just the way i do things , hope it helps :D !!!!

What do you mean by bogging down?