Disposables

[Whitey]

On my hunt for a good buy I stumbled across this site
and a box of 50 pre sterilized dispossable tubes is only $18 and some change, they also have a Stove top Autoclave for $100 but the bad side is they only sell to licensed and certified professionals, any Chance the Jacks might be able to get some deals going along these line????

[tadt]

i checked the site out they have cheap prices but cheap isnt always better, i like the 45 mag that would be scary to see come near the skin. let us know if you purchase anything from them, id buy up some needles if you could buy 5 at a time to try em out.

[voodoo]

i dont thick they even check--some one out there might know.

[BigDaddyInks]

Stove Top autoclaves scare me.... :shock: ...afraid im gonna get blown up!! :twisted:

[Whitey]

well, I found a place in Florida, Silver needle



with disposables for 40 cents a piece, so I bought 100, came out to $56 with shipping.

Also anyone have any opinions on Sporox and Sporox 2, they claim cold Sterilization, and I have seen it in a few Dentist offices, Just curious, I still bought disposables......

[BattleRoyal]

Whitey,
Do a search and you'll see that I raised this discussion awhile back about cold sterilization product claims, etc. UNIMAX has a great site loaded with good info

Specifically

...and I quote from UNIMAX - "Sterilizing liquids are not a substitute for heat sterilization and have no place in tattoo or piercing. It is not acceptable practice to use liquid sterilants."

Cold sterilization DOES NOT effectively kill bacterial spores (the hardest of all forms of bacteria to kill). Killing spores requires HEAT, STEAM and PRESSURE. Specifically its like 121 degrees Celsius, 15 psi for like 20 minutes. I've seen variations of this - some say 30 mins. Whatever...
Here is a nice web site with info on bacterial endospores: http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/video/endospores.html Per their site: "Bacterial endospores are highly resistant to hostile physical and chemical conditions. Only a few genera of bacteria such as Bacillus and Clostridium are capable of forming endospores. These are a dormant form of the bacterium that allows it to survive sub-optimal environmental conditions. Because these spores are resistant to heat, radiation, disinfectants, and desiccation, they are difficult to eliminate from medical and pharmaceutical materials and are a frequent cause of contamination."

THE POINT being - I considered a stove top unit myself - but many have advised that it is VERY difficult to adequately control the variables of temperature on a stove top unit. Perhaps using a gas stove would keep the heat more constant - but an electric stove would have the heat up and down as the burner heats up then stops, reheats, etc. Electric stoves are notorious for being non-constant heaters. Thats why good chef's prefer gas stoves. My wife, who used to bake like crazy for holidays, etc. has 2 stoves in our kitchen. Yup - you guessed it - a gas stove and a electric stove - just for the fact that electric is impossible to maintain a constant level of heat.

Do a SEARCH for old posts on here and you'll find all kinds of info on these topics...

One of the things that used to infuriate forum members was when I'd just throw a thread out here w/o adequately doing a SEARCH on here for the same question(s) that have been asked - and addressed - on here MANY times earlier.

As such - I decided to use disp tubes and needles until I can afford to buy an electric autoclave for my use. While stove tops represent inexpensive units I'd be a little concerned about their effectiveness.

Hope this helps.

[Anonymous]

Here in Kentucky I was informed by the health dept.that these was going or alreadly is outlawed in tattoo shops I have sent letter to our main office in Frankfort still awaiting reply better check your state laws before submitting to use one. :)

[Whitey]

Battleroyal, I did read your post and have been to unimax's site and have read the articles, I was just curious about the Sporox product, especially where dentists are using it and are going into your mouth with instruments that do cause abrasions and such, Like I said, I just bought 100 disposable tubes.

[Whitey]

Sporox does not have glutaraldehydes which is what Unimax is totally against, it is a Hydrogen Peroxide based sterilant / disinfectant, which most of us have used and use since we were kids for cut's Etc. That is why I asked about the product, It's also what they suppossedly use when packaging pre sterilized needles and disposable tubes, I'm not 100% on that though.

Just curious that's all.... I'd still use dispossable needles but if I could get my stainless steel tubes & grips sterile that way instead of buying an autoclave or running to the nearest shop to use theirs it would be great and less expensive, and I like the feel of the steel tubes much better than the plastic dispossables.
Beleive me I've been all over this site for months and have seen most of the posts and have read them numerous times and I am aware of asking stupid questions that have already been discussed, but Sporox has not been discussed.

This post sounds a Little flipant and I don't mean to come across that way, just up for good discussion on the subject matter....

[voodoo]

the only way to do it properly is with a clave. 8)

[BattleRoyal]

Whitey,
I don't have any knowledge or experience with Sporox or other chemicals. I did find a web site with some info on products like Cidex, Sporox, etc at: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ode/germlab.html
I know one tattoo supply house who listed several cold chemical products as sterilization products only to tell me when I contacted them they they are actually only 'disinfectants.'

The above web site states the following about Sporox: "Contact conditions established by simulated use testing with endoscopes." That doens't mean stainless surgical equipment, tattoo or piercing tools.

Normally, it takes heat, steam and pressure to get into spores with 100% reliability. Note that I said with 100% relialbility. Spores are extremely difficult entities to reliably kill and get inside them. I don't think I'd trust a cold sterilizer, personally.

[Whitey]

I agree, that's why I'm using disposables, Just looking for other alternatives and opinions as I'm sure everyone would be, someday I'll have an autoclave until then it will be all disposables.

[MontanaPiercer]

I have never been in a situation where I didn't have access to an autoclave, as I was a professional piercer long before I ever picked up a tattoo machine, but I decided to give disposable a try not long ago, just to see how they felt, as I briefly flirted with the idea of using disposable tubes. It completely changed the balance on my machines. I have re-occurring repetitive stress issues with my wrists from years of industrial maintenance (what I did before moving into body art), and after doing a small tattoo with a disposable tube, my hands and wrist ached horribly. I am too used to using 1 inch steel grips to ever use something so light weight on that end of the machine.....It felt like I was holding a pencil with a huge counter weight on the back... in addition to the stress on my wrists, my lines looked like utter hell.... so I am done with them.... I don't mind at all having to scrub tubes.

[deill]

I cant deal with disposables either.I loose balance and also it seems that they get soft after a while of use.Also the tips are too big for my needles,so a 7mag fits loose on a 7mag disposable,I dont know,it sucks.

[Inkster]

There are good and bad quality disposables made of soft or hard I think ABS, you just got to find the good ones.

[skullman]

I think that you should try the lexan ones on (NJ) and use a large curel. So it helps balace the wieght.