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[artandtattoo2]

Hi,
Sometimes when im do solid black the skin is being "hamburgering".
Cant find out the prob,
yesterday i did a tattootribal on the side off the stomach on a guy and the skin hold perfect,
but today with the exakt same settings i did a tribaltattoo on an upperarm and the skin went "hamburgering".

Use a mickysharp shadingmachine, have 2mm gap and eikonsprings18 at front and rear, and use around 5-6volts..
most of the time i use mags, but rounds too..

Tried to test different settings today changed the gap to 1,5mm up to 2,5mm, the skin went "hamburgering" what ever i did, im going crazy on this problem..

Anyone have an idea??

Have a nice day/ Johan!
www.warodell.com

[odisius]

did you check your needles with a eye loupe or magnifying glass to make sure they wernt hooked

[artandtattoo2]

Yes, always check my needles and always use new needles for every customer...

But can u go to slow with the machine, so the needles maybe get caught in the skin and "hamburgering" occur??
Or is "hamburgering" the skin always a sign that u are going to fast or to hard?

[voodoo]

lower the volts and add a band.i use 3 bands on my shader..

[tadt]

i had problems with making hamburger on myself, not on anyone else luckily and the extra rubber band helps, it slows the needles down so they stay in the skin longer so the ink can get in, and dont go over the same are more then twice, if i cant get the ink in after 2 passes i wait until it heals before i go at it again.

[tattooski11]

sometimes its just the skin. skin is different. that happened to me once and with the machine set exactly the same and new needle, it came out great on my skin.... dont know what to tell you. mabye your going too slow?

[artandtattoo2]

Ok, going to try the extra rubber band, i use 2 bands right now..

But i cant go any softer with the machine than 4 volts, then the machine will "die", and still the skin wont hold..

I´m going to try to have 2,5mm gap, 3-4 rubber bands and set the machine at around 4 volts tommorow.
If the skin still is going to break im going to chuck the f...ing machine in the sea!

[timmy]

Hey,I have a machine that i had to adjust alot to find that sweet spot and leave a nice heal,anyway i also set a wider gap and adjusted the contact screw to speed my machine up just a little more.I was also working on myself while doing this and the shading i was doing is healing nice but i can still feel where my machine was set and then i made a slight adjustment.Hang in there,once you find that sweet setting,take a mental note of it.Im also running at about 4 to 5 volts,just enough to run the machine with a soft hit,yet getting the ink in there with a firm strike=a very nice healing.Keep at it,just gets better.

[timmy]

By the way i have this tuff running aluminum shader [Kaplan]dont take much for this machine to take off,i have the volts as low as i can go also,i also put thinner guage springs on it.On my next machines i think i will go with the 8 and 10 wraps and the hell with the twelve.I have done everything i can think of to slow it down and hit soft without any damage to the skin,took awhile but i got it down.

[artandtattoo2]

Did a tattoo on the leg yesterday, the skin hold, but if u checked really near the skin seemed a bit "hamburgering"..
Don´t now if its the mags, going to try rounds today, but dont really think thats its going to be any different..

It is the volts that makes the skin hamburgering most, or the speed??

But i use low volts and low speed, the skin just breaks up, going crazy here.........

[timmy]

I am still using rounds for shading and slowly working my way into working with five mags.I wish i could help you out more but with a softer running machine with low volts and using round shaders you may have better results.I always make sure i have a good stretch on the skin,that is really important.

[artandtattoo2]

Feels like rounds are better in some ways, but dont raelly know..

Tried rounds today to fill in solid black into a small tribal,
used 9 round and the skin seemed to take it very well and the tattoo came out real dark, but haven´t figure it out why the skin breaks in some points yet...

But when u use the shadermachine on really low volts the machine sounds like its almost going to die, and then the needle dont penetrate 1,5mm as u set the settings at, but thats maybe the way to go??

[timmy]

Im in the same boat,i keep my volts low and start shading with machine running slow and depending on how the ink is flowing and if im getting in there i might have to turn my contact screw and speed it up just a little at a time,did some shading last night myself and went fairly well once i had my machine set.Takes time,and it just gets better.With every tattoo i do i pick up some more knowledge.

[stealthninjamark]

would you say that it is more skill or luck if you have never "hamburgered" anything in your tattooing career?
i have been doing this a year and a half and have never chewed anyone up. not even myself amazingly

[timmy]

I would say skill,thats paying attention,taking your time and being carefull and time behind the machine,knowing your machine,you know what im saying-nice job