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mozzer337
05-19-2006, 07:16 AM
I know this has been done to death on here, but all I want to do is get a basic guideline to work to and then tweak from there.

If I have two identical machines that I would want to set up as a liner and a shader. Both with the same coils, springs, a-bars, capacitors etc. Would I need to work to a basic rule of thumb similar to below:-

A) A liner would consist of running faster, with a short stroke, with the contact screw set at a smaller gap, and positioned lower on the front spring causing less force to the skin, but puncturing quicker.

B) A shader running slower, with a longer stroke, with the contact screw set at a bigger gap, and positioned closer to the tip causing a longer more springier throw resulting in more force to puncure the skin easier, but puncturing slower to reduce trauma on the skin due to the needle configuration of a shader.


I described, B) as a shader but I really mean for solid colour. I understand that for actual true shading, a machine set in between the two would be about right?

I have read all the back posts and I have been slightly confused as to what direction I should be going. I really want to get this down right. I want to fully understand the workings of my machines and not just stumble across the right set up by accident and carry on regardless. I need to know for sure that I have the right formula in my head.

Sorry for repeating what has probably been posted on here hundreds of times and I dont expect anyone to go into graphic detail as to what set up I should be adhering to. I know everyones time is precious, so I would just like to ask the people in the know if I have the basics of machine function and set up correct. Simple yes or no answers would be helpful. Thats all I ask.

BTW this is not some sad attempt to gain info for E-books and such, which I understand sometimes happens on here.

Thanks in advance.

mozzer337
05-20-2006, 09:33 AM
Will someone please reply? I havent slept since posting this question :shock:

timmy
05-20-2006, 10:40 AM
Hey,im pretty much where you are at as far as tuning my machine and all.From what you have wrote that does sound pretty much correct,the stroke on liner can be set up like the shader though,depending what one prefers.I have long strokes on both machines and liner runs a little faster than shader and gets a little more volts.Anyway,i have been at it trying different springs[gauges]and just trying to get good coverage with a very nice heal.So yeah bro,tune away.Keep at it and be safe.

timmy
05-20-2006, 10:43 AM
Have you checked out the machinegun web site and looked over that info?

tadt
05-20-2006, 10:45 AM
well ill let you know how i have my machines set up. I have my liner set so it has a longer stroke than my shader, I run 2-3 rubber bands on my liner, and 3-5 on my shader which has a very short stroke. i run both machines at the same volts around 6, but it also depends on needle grouping and how many rubber bands im using on my shader. The biggest needle groupling my liner gets is a 5 round. But youll have to play with the machines to see what works best for you, different springs, coils etc. Ive found the big needle groupings need more rubber bands(to slow them down so not to damage the skin) and sometimes more volts.

mozzer337
05-20-2006, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the rapid replies. Yeah I have seen the machine gun site and it is really helpful. Lining seems to be fine. Its just getting solid colour with one pass thats a bit hit and miss at the moment. I filled in a tat on my leg, but I wasnt happy with the heal. So im going back to the pigskin for a while and trying some different tuning settings to see if I can improve.

Duger
06-01-2006, 12:01 AM
With your shader try different spring set ups, lengthen the gap between you back post and a-bar. slow the machine down but with a good punch.

soulmindfist
06-03-2006, 10:42 AM
I believe if everyone here is serious about their machines, invest some money into buying all editions of machinegun mag. they will help alot!