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STARMedic
08-07-2006, 11:14 AM
This is the first step....

AIRWAY.......Someone without an AIRWAY is a corpse.....

If someone goes down, one of the most important steps apart from managing the cervical spine in the trauma setting, is to OPEN their AIRWAY....

You can either use the Head tilt Chin Lift, or the Jaw Thrust. The HTCL is to be used in non trauma situations (IE when they havent fallen or been struck above the shoulders) Can be done by placing the palm at the top of the head, the forefinger under the chin, and the thumb inside the lower mandible, with the palm, push the head up into a "sniffing" position as if they were sniffing flowers, with the thimb and forefinger pull the mandible down and up....inspecting to see if they have vomited, if they have, then you will need to roll them on their side and clear the airway....

The Jaw Thrust, should be used in the Trauma setting or in any instance where the person has fallen, shows injury above the shoulders and no one can verify as to whether or not the person has struck their head. This involves stabilization of the cervical spine and opening the airway. With the patient on their back, face up, place the blade of both palmar surfaces just at or below the ears of the victim, hold the head in a neutral inline position, take the little finger, ring finger, and middle finger, and place them, little and ring, just behind the mandibular notch (part where the jaw forms a right angle just in front of the ear lobe) middle finger goes just in front of mandibular notch, and forefinger acts as a guide offering no lift whatsoever. The thumbs should rest on the cheek bones. The movement is kind of akward, as its kind of a squeezing in and lifting starting with the back fingers. When performed you should see the tongue displace forward with the jaw.

Trust me when the jaw thrust is applied properly, you will know right away whether the patient is conscious or not cause it hurts tremendously.

Once again inspect and clear the airway as needed, in the trauma setting, once you have taken cervical spine immobilaztion YOU MUST NOT RELEASE IT, unless your life is in danger.....

Now that we have the airway open and clear, we will go on to the "B" in the chain....

BREATHING.......the bottom line is that in whatever given situation the patient may or may not be breathing, if they are, then count the number of breaths in one minute.....generally the magic number is 10-20...anything more than 20/min is "Tachypneic" anything less than 10 is "Bradypneic" or in simple terms too fast or too slow.....

If they arent breathing then it becomes necessary to breathe for them. Im not saying you have to perform mouth to mouth, but there are simple face masks out there that prevent pathogen transmission and vomitus from reaching the layperson thru a one way valve. These masks cost less than 20 dollars and should be part of every shops first aid kit.

Circulation deals with the blood going round and round.....If the blood is not going round and round properly then they may present as HR too fast, weak, thready, or slow and bounding.....The first thing you need to address is whether or not there are any arterial bleeds, in this you can do a rapid head to toe sweep, arterial bleeding will present as bright red and spurting. THESE BLEEDS MUST BE ADDRESSED FIRST, as it constitutes a life threat.

Direct pressure with a gloved hand.
gauze or padding over the wound in addition to direct pressure.
elevation of the extremity if possible.
tourniquet as a last resort.

Any wounds that present as bubbling (chest, neck) need an occlusive dressing, taped on three sides, one of the primary concerns apart from the escape of air en masse is the induction of air into the cavity causing embolus or collapse.

Venous bleeding will present as darker red and oozing....keep in mind in the presence of traumatic amputation the oozing can look a helluva lot like spurting, but its not. Address these with simple bandaging as needed. In treating bleeds never remove a dressing, add to it as needed, as the blood soaks thru, add more on top of the previous.

Kinda forgot to mention that in the presence of any emergency, have someone dial 911 immediately, if its only you and the patient dial 911 first, then begin the work....

This is kind of vague and I apologize but I hope it helps....

Bruce

Klimskady
08-07-2006, 01:09 PM
Thanks for that, its real detailed and perfect for us peeps that want to learn more.

STARMedic
08-07-2006, 02:32 PM
The breathing and circulation certainly involves more than breathing or not breathing, that I feel I covered poorly. A person can be breathing but not offloading O2 at the cellular level, hence they become hypoxic, any fall out in any of the above factors can also make a person acidotic or alkalotic, breathing too fast, breathing too slow can cause someone to blow off too much CO2 or retain CO2 causing the person to have altered mental status....One of the biggest concern in anyone with AMS is their ability to protect their airway....

Some other things that contribute to Acidosis and Alkalosis are:
Drug or Toxic substance ingestion
Breathing TOO Fast
Breathing TOO Slow
Excessive vomiting
Excessive diarrhea

Acidosis and Alkalosis are kinda out of the realm of what the layperson needs to know, but it cant hurt to be familiar with them.

The Ph in the blood is defined as the percentage of hydrogen ions, the normal range is 7.35-7.45 anything below 7.35 they are considered acidotic, anything above and they are considered alkalotic.

Acidosis and Alkalosis fall within two boundaries, Metabolic and Respiratory...

Metabolic acidosis or alkalosis deals with impaired metabolic function, and the formation of lactic acid
Respiratory acidosis or alkalosis deals with impaired respiratory function and the formation of carbonic acid.

More to come.....

Bruce

lowshovel1
08-08-2006, 11:43 AM
Thank you Bruce,
Do you recomend any reading material that may be helpfull?

STARMedic
08-17-2006, 12:59 PM
Quite a bit can be found just by using an internet search engine. Look up the AHA, or 2006 AHA CPR Guidelines... This will shed quite a bit of light on the new CPR guidelines, and methodology.

Bruce

lowshovel1
08-18-2006, 10:44 AM
thank you for the info Bruce,

hotdiggitydawg
08-18-2006, 02:40 PM
appreciate your time Bruce, Thanx

STARMedic
08-21-2006, 11:03 AM
Ive been wrasslin with the whole didactic approach to this stuff and the problem I run into is that I can sit here and type up what is in courses and books all day long and never be done with it and not have effectively taught anyone jack shit.

How bout it I start throwing out some scenarios and try to give you guys as close to hands on as I can in the way of visualization.

Im pretty sure that none of this will broach any liability issues for Chris' site here and will make everyone a little bit better when it comes to solving problems in the field....

If it does create a liability problem Im sure Chris or Mr Skipper will stomp vigorously on my head and insert their boots firmly into my 3rd point of contact prior to deletion of my threads....

So, anyone have any thoughts or concerns with some random scenarios for the layperson?

Bruce

lowshovel1
08-21-2006, 12:15 PM
OK, random scenario: a client walks in with no prior tattooing on their body, this is there first tattoo! I inform them of the procedure, prep said person and start laying down the out line. The client tells me their feeling faint after a few minutes of work.
What should I be looking for: my first thought would be allergic to ink.
what would the other posabilaties be?

STARMedic
08-21-2006, 01:04 PM
Allergic reactions dont usually manifest themselves as dizziness. If they were faint or dizzy I would either have them sit up slowly, or try to make sure they were on their back or left side. Problem with sitting them up is that they may succumb to Orthostatic Hypotension, so when they go from a lying position to a standing or even a seated position their blood pressure may drop quite dramatically, possibly resulting in a loss of consciousness. They could also be diabetic, they could be taking medications for cardiac or other related problems and havent taken their meds in a few hours, or they could be dehydrated or under the influence of alcohol or illicit narcotics.

Hopefully if they have any medical problems or allergies they have disclosed this in their paperwork prior to the tattoo process. It wouldnt hurt to ask them if they have any medical problems, take any medications, or have had any recent surgeries when the problem arises....This also solves several problems.

1. If they can talk to you they still have an airway.
2. It gives you leads into the index of suspicion, or makes it easier for you to determine what is going on.
3. If they tell you they are feeling weak and the next few questions you ask them they give you incomprehensible or imprper answers, they are possibly either having a diabetic event, or they are not perfusing.

In any case if you begin asking questions to someone who has gone from feeling weak to not being able to answer questions properly, you should dial 911.
The biggest problem you face is that anyone answering incomprehensibly or suffering from altered mental status is that they can no longer protect and maintain their airway.

Start thinking about the frontal assault and the end game....make sure you arent putting them in a position where they can fall thru glass cases and exsanguinate themselves.

In the realm of allergic reaction more than likely there will be redness and swelling at the site....there could be red trails up towards the heart as in the case with certain spider bites, the site or the person may be hyperthermic or hot to the touch, they may display hives or urticaria in the abdominal area or at the affected site. If they say that they are having difficulty breathing, or that they have an itching sensation in the back of their throats you have a potentially serious problem on your hands. You should dial 911.....Immediately.

If at any time they become pulseless and arent breathing, you should immediately diall 911 FIRST, then begin CPR......Its better if you have help, have someone begin chest compressions at 100 times a minute hard and fast, and you should open their airway using the head tilt chin lift, or jaw thrust and begin rescue breathing.....

There are a lot of arguements out there about I dont know this person and Im not stickin my mouth over theirs, or the big arguement of giving compression only CPR......

I do believe that at the minimum every shop should either have a Bag Valve Mask device or a Simple Face Mask.....these devices will protect you from the person and their fluids.....If they vomit, roll them onto their left side, clear the airway, and continue CPR....the ventilation rate should be roughly 12-20 per minute....10-12 is the standard, but keep in mind without 100% O2, your not really puttin a high amount of O2 into their systems....and keepin the CO2 comin out is equally important....

Please be advised that in the bad situation some things will freak you out.....Its important to note that while doing chest compressions.....ribs tend to pop and crack.....when this happens....keep doing what your doing.....giving compressions.....

However if after a few mins the person says they are feeling better after sittin up and gettin some fresh air......continue on, but be suspicious of any impending medical emergencies....

HTH,

Bruce

lowshovel1
08-21-2006, 10:54 PM
Thank you Bruce, very informative and hopefully will not have to use it any time soon. Definitly a MUST know in a possable situation. I allways thought all shops should have a well stocked first aid kit, part of your tools!