cleaning my autoclave?

[lotsix]

from experience...what products has anyone used with the most desired effect? Lime away, vinigar? What is the best procedure?

i have mistakingly ran my stovetop a/c without distilled water a few times and have the salt stains along the bottom, any suggetstions?

[the hermit]

Any one out there know if I could use a pressure cooker has an autoclave...some have a 15Ib cooking pressure that gives a temp of around 125c to 130c could this be used???? I just can't afford an autoclave,the hermit.

[sac4life]

about the pressure cooker look it up on goggle i did they will give you alto of information. spore test with a autoclave come back the same with a pressure cooker. a dry heat sterilizer does not sterilize as good as a pressure cooker. but dot take my word for it look it up and you will find some good information and how to go abut doing it. let me know how it goes.

[the hermit]

about the pressure cooker look it up on goggle i did they will give you alto of information. spore test with a autoclave come back the same with a pressure cooker. a dry heat sterilizer does not sterilize as good as a pressure cooker. but dot take my word for it look it up and you will find some good information and how to go abut doing it. let me know how it goes.

Hi Sac...thank you so much, lots of info on pressure cookers used as Autoclaves...found one site were tests were done with an Autoclave and pressure cooker...pressure cooker killed everything that the autoclave did, bacteria,spores,molds etc. the test said there was no difference between the two,both Autoclave and pressure cooker did the job, so Autoclave between£1000-£2000.....pressure cooker between£25.00 and £70.00.
if anyone out there chooses to go the pressure cooker root, make shure you get one that has the 15Lb pressure cook cycle. The Hermit.

[sac4life]

ya i use a pressure cooker one of the big 16 quart ones, i mean i could of told you all of the info you found but it would be second hand and i can not state it like they did and when you are dealing with something like a autoclave/pressure cooker i would rather you had the information first hand. because like i said sterilization is very important part of tattooing so if i forgot to tell you something or you did something wrong going off what i said i would feel really bad and that could put you and your client at risk.

ya the site you went to sounds like one of the ones i checked out. I'm going to buy an spore test and run it through my pressure cooker and mail it myself to see what i can come up with ill keep you posted on what i come up with

[EvilOfTheNeedle]

rite.. so i can use a pressure cooker to the same effect as a autoclave as long as its 15lb pressure cook cycle?

this will clean aswell as an autoclave?

simple yes or no on a post card thanks lol!

[BigJon]

yes a pressure cooker will kill bacteria, ect, ect...but for the love of god guys. have some common sence. one wrong move and you could KILL someone. hiv, hep and so on. theres are REAL. auto claves are desinged for sterilation. pressure cookers are desinged for COOKING. forgo Pressure COOKER. i am sorry but were not dealing with some light subject matter here. if your not tattooing in a profesonal atsomphere with a spore tested autoclave on hand and someone thats trained to operate it, use disposable tubes and grips. how hard is that?

sorry to come off as an ass. i hope i didnt offend anyone, but i watched a friend die from hiv when we were just teenagers. so this is a touchy subject.

[EvilOfTheNeedle]

No offence caused ! and we all know the sterilisation process is important! but this is all swings and roundabouts.. as soon as something is removed from a sterilising device it is no longer sterile! the bbps will be removed and thats all i am asking.. will a pressure cooker remove bbps?.

[lotsix]

cleaning an autoclave??? the thread? can i use a toaster oven as a power supply? JUST KIDDING!

[the hermit]

yes a pressure cooker will kill bacteria, ect, ect...but for the love of god guys. have some common sence. one wrong move and you could KILL someone. hiv, hep and so on. theres are REAL. auto claves are desinged for sterilation. pressure cookers are desinged for COOKING. forgo Pressure COOKER. i am sorry but were not dealing with some light subject matter here. if your not tattooing in a profesonal atsomphere with a spore tested autoclave on hand and someone thats trained to operate it, use disposable tubes and grips. how hard is that?

sorry to come off as an ass. i hope i didnt offend anyone, but i watched a friend die from hiv when we were just teenagers. so this is a touchy subject.It seems this test was done by medics at a hospital...the reason for the test was the use of surgical instruments out in the bush(Africa) were an autoclave cannot be plugged in...anyway They did a very long seqence of tests with contaminated instruments and after steralization in Autoclave and pressure cooker, they then put them in a culture cabinet for so many days.nothing grew, from Autoclave and pressure cooker all were sterile...they tried all bacteria and spores and different culture seqence,all was perfectly sterile.also the pressure cooker was reaching the same internal pressure and temprature as the autoclave,they say what an autoclave can kill also a pressure cooker can do the same,but the pressure cooker must be the model that can reach 15Lb psi . The hermit.

[unforgiven]

and for the next extremist trick......(not that a clave is extremist not what im saying) let's talk to the state and provincial health boards and start requiring incinerators for ALL sheets, covers and towels and such. i wonder how many put their tattoo waste in the trash?
just making a point that if the bbp's are killed then the job was successful and the means to achieve such should not necesarily be so heavily scrutinized or argued. however, if you live and work in a place where an autoclave is a must then it is a must, if you live in a place where dry heat is acceptable as well then you have that option given to you. it is crucial that all contamination is removed. but lax the government has been on paper and plastic issues in tattoo shops.
just my 2 bits

[the hermit]

and for the next extremist trick......(not that a clave is extremist not what im saying) let's talk to the state and provincial health boards and start requiring incinerators for ALL sheets, covers and towels and such. i wonder how many put their tattoo waste in the trash?
just making a point that if the bbp's are killed then the job was successful and the means to achieve such should not necesarily be so heavily scrutinized or argued. however, if you live and work in a place where an autoclave is a must then it is a must, if you live in a place where dry heat is acceptable as well then you have that option given to you. it is crucial that all contamination is removed. but lax the government has been on paper and plastic issues in tattoo shops.
just my 2 bits I can understand bigjohn's concern...they are my concerns as well....I checked out the Autoclave in the studio were I worked. the only difference was the autoclave had it's own power supply and that was that.the pressure cooker has to be on a hot ring,but all the valves were the same,steam release valve and air release valve.as the temp rises in a pressure cooker it expels air to create a kind of vaccume and pressure,as does an Autoclave.This is why food cooks in a matter of minutes. the temp and pressure combined is what kills off the bacteria and spores. The test using 15Lb psi pressure cooker reached 126c held for twenty minutes.hepatitus is killed at 122c held for fifteen minutes.HIV cannot live outside the body for more than a matter of seconds. I'm still researching to make sure. What I have read and the tests that have been done show that a pressure cooker will do the same with no problems...but it must reach that important pressure of 15Lb psi,anything lower does not do it. the Hermit.

[unforgiven]

that's exactly right hermit. i guess the real issue is not what will effectively do the job, but who? give an autoclave to a beginner complete with instructions, and assume he or she follows said instructions. good job, clean and sterile instruments. give a pressure cooker to the same beginner complete with instructions, and assume he or she follows said instructions. good job, you have canned your first jar of chicken or whatever food you are canning. all 3 machines will do the job, yes. but without the proper knowledge and use of information properly, a beginner may only have found a shortcut, and nothing more. so i think, (my opinion) we should possibly educate and inform, perhaps with a sticky thread, the proper equiptment and procedures for using a substitute such as a pressure cooker. many people cannot afford to purchase a professional autoclave, but wish to work in a clean and safe environment. so they look to an alternative, one which has been proven effective in the RIGHT HANDS, to substitute until the time comes when they can afford a clave. if the shoe fits, wear it, but on the proper foot. if the machine sterilizes, use it, but use it properly and safely and effectively.
that's more like 4 bits.

[BigJon]

that's exactly right hermit. i guess the real issue is not what will effectively do the job, but who? give an autoclave to a beginner complete with instructions, and assume he or she follows said instructions. good job, clean and sterile instruments. give a pressure cooker to the same beginner complete with instructions, and assume he or she follows said instructions. good job, you have canned your first jar of chicken or whatever food you are canning. all 3 machines will do the job, yes. but without the proper knowledge and use of information properly, a beginner may only have found a shortcut, and nothing more. so i think, (my opinion) we should possibly educate and inform, perhaps with a sticky thread, the proper equiptment and procedures for using a substitute such as a pressure cooker. many people cannot afford to purchase a professional autoclave, but wish to work in a clean and safe environment. so they look to an alternative, one which has been proven effective in the RIGHT HANDS, to substitute until the time comes when they can afford a clave. if the shoe fits, wear it, but on the proper foot. if the machine sterilizes, use it, but use it properly and safely and effectively.
that's more like 4 bits.


i agree on the sticky with proper procedures, but i dont agree that anyone should use a pressure cooker to clave anything. the fact that medical pros used it in dire situations in the african brush and it worked is great but were not in africa.....if you cant afford a 250.00 bone for an auto clave. (american stovetop link http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-All-American-Steam-Tattoo-Sterilizer-Autoclave_W0QQitemZ130016285120QQihZ003QQcategoryZ 31459QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ) you shouldnt be using steel tubes....thats why they make disposable tubes and grips....you can tattoo safley with out an auto clave if you go all disposable. and what is the cost a buck a tube or so???? so there is really no excuse to use a pressure cooker at all...like i said they were desinged for COOKING. I dont even know why we are having this conversation.

[BigJon]

oh and as for spore testing it cost 7 bucks at unimax........260.00 one time + 7.00 every two weeks...what an inital investment of less than 300 bucks for the first month and 14 bucks a month after that...hell one tattoo pays for the whole thing.........

[unforgiven]

i guess i will end this now and concede to YOUR POINTS as you are obviously someone who has been tattooing for a couple decades and doesn't believe that learning continues through ones lifespan.
thanks for the useless debate and not having any form of an open mind.
buh-bye

[Rickyboy]

Big JON! I saw this on ebay its the exact same item as the one as the autoclave u posted here-- The autoclave you posted is a stove top as well?

well go check this out!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/All-American-Pressure-Cooker-Canner-15-5-Qt-No-7_W0QQitemZ270017405127QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20672QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Do you think that is good enuff for tattooing??

[voodoo]

The only differance i can see is the model # and the price....

[FORGIVEN]

o.k. here we go again ...new batch of people ...
NO FU@KING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!
IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN AUTOCLAVE , USE DISPOSABLES TILL YOU CAN AFFORD ONE !!!!!!!!!!!
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU TRUSTED TO WORK ON YOU TOOK SHORT CUTS ???????
THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH SH!T WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ...
ONCE AGAIN ...THIS ISNT A HOBBY , THIS ISNT A JOKE ...YOU CAN GET SOMEONE SICK BY TAKING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS ....USE DISPOSABLE TUBES !!!!!
GET AN APPRENTICESHIP !!!
I LOVE THIS FORUM BUT SOMETIMES I CRINGE AT SOME OF THE SHIT I READ !!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO START DELETING POSTS WITH THAT EBAY GARBAGE IF YOU GUYS DONT DO IT YOURSELVES !!!!
A.

[voodoo]

Dunno bout u but i find it interesting.What exactly is the differance between them?Both r made by All American?I myself would rather get one with a rubber seal or gasket but thats me!I dont think asking questions about this is bad......This is how things r figured out.If u know what the diff is please inform us. THATS all I have to say....

[FORGIVEN]

NO SUBSTITUTIONS FOR AN AUTO CLAVE !!! PERIOD !!!!
ok ...,there are some people just willing to cut corners , and there are those who are willing to tattoo in their dirty rooms , cool !!And there are those who are willing to take risks with others lives , not me !!!!These are the cats you read about , spreading hep c or even worse !!! NICE !!
there those who talk the talk and those who walk the walk !!! seems like theres some people who know EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING , but cant tattoo worth a shit !!
use the pressure cookers !! hehe !!

[Rickyboy]

Forgiven, I was just mainly stating the facts!!! -- Like voodoo said no diff except model## and PRICE!! look at both items!!! I am DEFINTELY on your side about the autoclave!! But when 2 of the exact same items are being sold as 2 diff items, diff prices---whos to say that the autoclave listed would do a better job of sterilzation than the cooker?? they both use the stovetop and can be set up the same for pressure and heat???

They are just passing it off as an autoclave??? and tattooists are buying it for that purpose!!

[the hermit]

o.k. here we go again ...new batch of people ...
NO FU@KING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!
IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN AUTOCLAVE , USE DISPOSABLES TILL YOU CAN AFFORD ONE !!!!!!!!!!!
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU TRUSTED TO WORK ON YOU TOOK SHORT CUTS ???????
THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH SH!T WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ...
ONCE AGAIN ...THIS ISNT A HOBBY , THIS ISNT A JOKE ...YOU CAN GET SOMEONE SICK BY TAKING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS ....USE DISPOSABLE TUBES !!!!!
GET AN APPRENTICESHIP !!!
I LOVE THIS FORUM BUT SOMETIMES I CRINGE AT SOME OF THE SHIT I READ !!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO START DELETING POSTS WITH THAT EBAY GARBAGE IF YOU GUYS DONT DO IT YOURSELVES !!!!
A. Hi Forgiven...firstly you don't have to be so rude...second no one is taking short cuts....just doing some research on possibilitys....3rd, I am an apprentice....I thought I would open up a disscution on this particular theme with fellow forum members,Cos that's what this is....A forum.....to see what advice there is. don't jump to conclusions .As I'm the one that started this...I apologise to you and any others that I have upset, I will be carefull what I talk about from now on,many thanks,The hermit.

[tadt]

i have to agree with forgiven, i dont work in a tattoo shop, i dont have an autoclave so i use disposables, and using a pressure cooker just seems crazy to me, if i went into a tattoo shop and saw a presure cooker instead of an autoclave i would run my ass out the door. Yes your friends might think your smart for saving $$(or an idiot) but your putting your life and theres on the line. I like the fact that we have alot of new members but please people be smart and safe.

[lotsix]

i'm actually glad such an important discussion was raised here based on my question somehow...i figured out the answer on my own(found the damn booklet for my clave) i used lime away a few times, and it's cool now.
so even though my question was completely un-answered, i'm glad there was some top knowledge thrown down.:D

[BigJon]

Thank you Andy......the point i was trying to get into they guys heads.....its just that simple.

Now i am gonna go back to the shop and clean our Pressure COOKER. Joe wants greens for supper.......lol

[BigJon]

Big JON! I saw this on ebay its the exact same item as the one as the autoclave u posted here-- The autoclave you posted is a stove top as well?

well go check this out!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/All-American-Pressure-Cooker-Canner-15-5-Qt-No-7_W0QQitemZ270017405127QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20672QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Do you think that is good enuff for tattooing??


man that thing is rough.....you should never buy a used auto clave. unless its from a medical supplier that has refurbshed it.....
DONT BUY IT>>>>>>>>..

[FORGIVEN]

hey jon , good to see you here man !!!
was thinking about you , hope all is well , hows the machines ??
dont let them go to waste !! ...i think u deserved them , so fuckin" use em !!!!
peace .A

p.s. good job posting ...nice to see some new blood around with a good head on their shoulders !!!!
GLAD TO SEE YOU DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY !! WITH THAT ATTIITUDE YOU WILL GO FAR MY FRIEND !!!...SLAP JOE IN THE NUTZ FOR ME !!!!

[FORGIVEN]

OK ...HERES WHAT WE USE AT THE SHOP !!!!

Chamber Bright Cleaner By Tuttnauer.....

[voodoo]

What is the active ingedients?R they the same as in Lime Away?CLR is a product close to Lime away....vinegar might work as well.
The product used should not leave a residue is what i'm thinking.

[Rickyboy]

man that thing is rough.....you should never buy a used auto clave. unless its from a medical supplier that has refurbshed it.....
DONT BUY IT>>>>>>>>..
BIG JON, I was merely showing you that the autoclave you posted for tattooing is also being sold as a pressure cooker under the item i listed-- compare the two - they are identical!!! You said the one you listed was ok for tattooing----Well explain why the other isnt??? they both do the EXACT same thing!!!!! People are just are under the IMPRESSION that it is an AUTOCLAVE and will pay the extra money and feel safer?? --HMMMMM!!
I understand not to buy a pressure cooker , but i was just trying to prove a point!!!!!

[lotsix]

thanks for the cleaning suggestions...i'll check the ingredients and try them out!

[STARMedic]

as soon as something is removed from a sterilising device it is no longer sterile!

This is incorrect, if your not using a sterilisation pouch to treat your gear, then what you say would in fact be correct. As long as the equipment being sterilized has been placed into a pouch, once it comes out, it will remain sterile and usable until you open the pouch....

Bruce

[stephaniep]

So what's the deal with these stove top autoclaves?? Are they the real deal? 'Cause they seriously look exactly like a pressure cooker. And I've never seen an autoclave in a shop look like one of these, not to mention the difference in price.

My gut feeling tells me these are a ripoff. How can one of these 'claves cost 300 bones and a shop one cost two grand+??

[lotsix]

my wife works at a pharmaceutical company doing animal research and has worked in the medical field doing histology for a while now...a stovetop autoclave does EXACTLY what any autoclave costing 2000 dollars does. "STEAM Under Pressure" is the medical standard for sterilization. As long as you are spore testing and using top quality self sealing indicator pouches...you are set. She bought me the autoclave, and has about 5 tattoos by me, she knows about this shite...she works in a much more supervised work environment everyday.
it resembles a pressure cooker...because it does what a pressure cooker does, only more contolled...and specifically for this purpose.

vets, back me up if you agree.

[stephaniep]

Then what are the advantages of an autoclave that costs 6 times more? If it does the exact same thing, why doesn't everyone, including shop owners, go for the more affordable choice? Are they recognized by local health departments as the genuine article?

I'm not doubting you lotsix, I'm thinking about getting one actually. But I do want to know the drawbacks of using such a device versus the much more expensive models. What is it? Does it take longer to sterilize? Is it difficult to use?

[lotsix]

well the more expensive model is like using a toaster oven (set, forget) very easy and safe...

the stove top needs to be watched throughout the process...you need to set it on heat, watch for it to reach the optimal pressure...and then keep it there for at least 35-45 minutes. It has a pressure release valve that you must use to regulate the pressure...and adjusting stovetop heat can regulate this as well. There have been instances of exploding...due to many bad circumstances all culminating together at once...so as long as you are watching it and running it safely...your cool.

you have to use distilled water...cleaning with limeaway when deposits occur...but other than that...it's a cinch.

i swear by it...it's the real deal and many artists i know prefer it because of the large capacity.

the other factor for more expensive ones is that they have their own heat source.

buy one...i'll walk you through it.

[okra's ink]

o.k. here we go again ...new batch of people ...
NO FU@KING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!
IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN AUTOCLAVE , USE DISPOSABLES TILL YOU CAN AFFORD ONE !!!!!!!!!!!
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU TRUSTED TO WORK ON YOU TOOK SHORT CUTS ???????
THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH SH!T WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ...
ONCE AGAIN ...THIS ISNT A HOBBY , THIS ISNT A JOKE ...YOU CAN GET SOMEONE SICK BY TAKING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS ....USE DISPOSABLE TUBES !!!!!
GET AN APPRENTICESHIP !!!
I LOVE THIS FORUM BUT SOMETIMES I CRINGE AT SOME OF THE SHIT I READ !!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO START DELETING POSTS WITH THAT EBAY GARBAGE IF YOU GUYS DONT DO IT YOURSELVES !!!!
A.
i'm glad someone said it. Everyone asking these crazy questions should use their computers to do a little research. You would be amazed at how much information is out there if you just look for it.

[Martin]

o.k. here we go again ...new batch of people ...
NO FU@KING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!
IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN AUTOCLAVE , USE DISPOSABLES TILL YOU CAN AFFORD ONE !!!!!!!!!!!
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU TRUSTED TO WORK ON YOU TOOK SHORT CUTS ???????
THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH SH!T WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ...
ONCE AGAIN ...THIS ISNT A HOBBY , THIS ISNT A JOKE ...YOU CAN GET SOMEONE SICK BY TAKING SHORTCUTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS ....USE DISPOSABLE TUBES !!!!!
GET AN APPRENTICESHIP !!!
I LOVE THIS FORUM BUT SOMETIMES I CRINGE AT SOME OF THE SHIT I READ !!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO START DELETING POSTS WITH THAT EBAY GARBAGE IF YOU GUYS DONT DO IT YOURSELVES !!!!
A.



Being an administrator and all, then explain this.........

Tell me one difference between these autoclaves: http://www.supplytattoo.com/sterilization-autoclave-c-35_42.html

from NEEDLE JACKS...

AND THESE PRESSURE COOKERS:
http://www.pressurecooker-outlet.com/americancook.htm


THE PRICE!!!!. THATS WHAT!!! AND THATS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE!!!

So HOW? may I ask, is it that the web site that you represent, Is selling the same EXACT PRESSURE COOKERS !!!! FOR HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS MORE, WHILE YOU ARE TELLING PEOPLE THEY ARE NOT SAFE.

THE ONLY SHORTCUT I SEE IS A MONEY MAKING SHORTCUT!!!! by Needle Jacks that is. No offense to the Needle Jack Crew, It's just the people who dont know what that are talking about that drive me nuts. If thats how you want to make your money then that your choice.

but to all the other un-informed haters.......


DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU GO SPOUTING OUT!!!
:mad:

[Rockabillytattoo]

I was checking out the differences just out of curiosity, and I think you overlooked that the $700.00 Sterilizer is electric. None of the models from the All American site are electric, they are all stove top. As you can see, the stove tops from NJs are about the same price as the AAs. Just wanted to set the record straight, I wouldn't think NJ would do that sort of thing.
However, I'd save my money and buy a real autoclave one day.

Rock on!!

[Rockabillytattoo]

In regards to my previous post, sure the mid stovetop that NJ sells for $330.00 looks like the same type AA has for $160.00. The NJ site doesn't say it's an All American model, however, even if it was they've got a right to make a profit. Like everyone one else in this world, they're trying to make a living too. Besides, even though they sell the "fake" autoclaves, he still doesn't promote them. All in all, for all the good and endless advice & secrets he's shared with us, pretty hard in my book to take a stab at him. I don't blame him at all for freaking and shitting on people when it comes to sterilization and cleanliness, it's a life or death matter!!!!

Rock on!!

[FORGIVEN]

"""before I Go Spouting Off""""????
I Was Asked A Long Time Ago If I Wanted To Give A Hand To This Forum ....
I Have Nothing To Do With The Supply End ...
""""un-informed Haters"""" ????
Allright Martin ,,i'll Bite ...lets See Some Of Your Work ,,
Lets See A Picture Of Your Autoclave...
I Dont Do Well With Personal Attacks ....
But I Can Back My Shit Up My Friend !!!!!!

[wickedstylesink]

"""before I Go Spouting Off""""????
I Was Asked A Long Time Ago If I Wanted To Give A Hand To This Forum ....
I Have Nothing To Do With The Supply End ...
""""un-informed Haters"""" ????
Allright Martin ,,i'll Bite ...lets See Some Of Your Work ,,
Lets See A Picture Of Your Autoclave...
I Dont Do Well With Personal Attacks ....
But I Can Back My Shit Up My Friend !!!!!!

go get em killer .... dont take that shit from him forgiven
oh yeah by the way forgiven, have you put those machines up for sale yet?

[wickedstylesink]

is it just me or do we seem to get a new prick everyday , some new guy who goes running off at the mouth...
well martin, or any other newb with an attitude the guys on this site can and will help you find important info , or give you expert advice , but not if you slam them , ya fu*king morons- come on if you want assistance from some one or an honest opinion , you would do right not to go around the forum running your mouth at people who have been in the game longer than you who have the info that could make you a better tattooist ...........
just some food for thought....
wicked joe

[Rockabillytattoo]

is it just me or do we seem to get a new prick everyday , some new guy who goes running off at the mouth...
well martin, or any other newb with an attitude the guys on this site can and will help you find important info , or give you expert advice , but not if you slam them , ya fu*king morons- come on if you want assistance from some one or an honest opinion , you would do right not to go around the forum running your mouth at people who have been in the game longer than you who have the info that could make you a better tattooist ...........
just some food for thought....
wicked joe

WORD!!!!!

Rock on

[wickedstylesink]

ahh, why thank you very much rockabilly

[Martin]

Hey again,
I have a horrible habbit of unleashing my angers and frustrations on the keyboard. It doesnt neccesarily have to do with any of you guys, or, the opinions, and advice you share. I just dont take the time to cool down before I get on the computer, so when I do get on, I take it out on everyone else. So I hope you guys can forgive me for all the previous bullsh!t.

FORGIVEN.... I do completely understand your advice not to take shortcuts. And I dont. I am extremely carefull with my sterilization, and overall cleanliness. I have extensive training in bbp and cc. And I get tested myself at least once a year.
I do apologize for my previous post. Although it did seem like a personal attack, it wasn not intended that way. I am not like that in person at all. Like I said before, it's just a bad habbit on the computer. Wont happen again.

And lastly... I think I also owe and apology to NJ. Your bussiness is your business, and nobody elses. And I appreciate your services entirely.

Peace out,
Martin

[FORGIVEN]

thats what i thought ....



p.s.....hey "wicked" ..i have a few left my friend !!

[Martin]

ok, i deserved that

[wickedstylesink]

yo forgiven p.m me let me know what you got bro

[DGapp]

Bringing it back from the dead...

The original post was asking about cleaning your autoclave. Not one single person gave a reply about cleaning, only whoring posts about differences between claves and pressure cookers. WTF?

N E Ways...

You want to use a cleaner that will not jack up the material that your clave is made out of.
You DO NOT want to use a steel brush or wool pad if the clave is stainless as this will scratch the metal and cause rusting.
DO NOT use chlorinated cleansers as these will corrode the chamber.
Use only a mild detergent and if necessary, use a non metallic pad like Scotch-Brite.
Hope that helps!

[kentfinell]

these stovetop claves isnt anything else than fancy pressurecookers. period
if you want to be sure your stuff is clean you need a vaacuumautoclave, they cost around 3.000$, and are marked b class. this is the only way

[DGapp]

oh boy, here we go.

[junkyman]

Ok, what the fuck is going on??????? USE AN AUTOCLAVE!!!! Why are you looking for alternatives? Each and every one of you represent an industry thats already frowned upon, each and every one of you should be doing everything you can to get this business recognised as a safe, clean PROFESSIONAL business. So what if a proper autoclave sets you back 2000 bones, whats that? 5 or 6 tattoos? for a lifetime of peace of mind? No competition! If you cant afford one, use disposys until you can, peace of mind for you and the guy or girl whose life is in your hands. Raise the standard and stop all this talk of alternatives, if your going to be professional and be reputable, their ISNT on!

[kellyink]

i think this thread needs to be closed!!!
i for one am against using a pressure cooker, regardless of what specs say. on the other hand no matter what is told to someone looking to purchase one, or others that already have them and state it fine to use, this is going to be an on-going battle until the day thay are approved as a safe alternitive to sterilization in the tattooing industry. until then i stick with disposables until i can get my hands on an AUTOCLAVE.............

[voodoo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/CHAMBER-BRITE-POWDERED-AUTOCLAVE-CLEANER-TUTTNAUER_W0QQitemZ290161763383QQihZ019QQcategoryZ 31459QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
found this...

[hotdiggitydawg]

http://cgi.ebay.com/CHAMBER-BRITE-POWDERED-AUTOCLAVE-CLEANER-TUTTNAUER_W0QQitemZ290161763383QQihZ019QQcategoryZ 31459QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
found this...

So can this be used to clean pressure-cookers also???



:p

[simplyjeff]

So can this be used to clean pressure-cookers also???



:p

Now that is funny!!! Dawg PMSL

Come on now people just use an Autoclave and be done with it!!!

How long does it take a pressure cooker to cook a roast anyway????? Sorry I had to say that....

[voodoo]

How big is the roast?

[simplyjeff]

Nice One!!!! PMSL

I ment to say cook the roast in the Autoclave??????????????

Keep it Simple