What you didnt know....

[STARMedic]

How many people think that gloves act as a solid barrier protecting you from someone infected with HIV, or HEP....?

Bruce

[needles]

pathogens can be airbourne for as much as 30cm around the tattooed area also vaseline and other chemicals will break down latex

[STARMedic]

This has nothing to do with inhaling or any other contact pathway....Only gloved hands....

Bruce

[STARMedic]

I'll draw it out like this.... Gloves are actually porous, if you were to put them under a strong enough microscope you will see that they actually have holes all over the surface.... Some may say "Well if we fill them with water why do they hold water".... The bottom line is molecular size. One molecule of H2O is too large to fit through the actual pores...But some pathogens fit easily thru them as they are smaller than the pores of the gloves.

An easy way to paint it would to be to place the gloves under the 'scope and relate the pores we see to say something like a volleyball net with big square holes in it.....

If we throw in a molecule of H2O in the same relation and scale it would be like throwing a basketball against the volleyball net.

If we throw in the most basic measurement of something like Hepatitis in scale it would be like throwing pennies at the volleyball net.....And it will fit thru readily and easily......

All of this is in relation to a glove without defect straight out of the box....not taking into account any of the things we add into the equation that aid in breaking them down....

Proper handwashing, and decon is the best method of prevention....

Bruce

[hotdiggitydawg]

Does this include Nitrile gloves or just latex?
Is there any kind of disposable gloves that are a complete barrier?

[gremlin]

there are gloves out there but with the pricetag they carry they aint disposable (like what the CDC uses) and they are too bulky to get any kind of tactile feel

[needles]

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/4/787

this link may help

[unforgiven]

great thread bruce!!!
and a damn good link needles.
now, what about nitrile gloves guys, cause my wife is allergic to latex ones and from the testing on that link holly sheeit i don't want her usin vinyl anymore!!! or if there is another solution gimme a hollar on it. not too much rush, we are currently shut down with moving into a new house, but i definately need ta find somethin other than vinyl.
thx in advance.

[Rockabillytattoo]

I'll draw it out like this.... Gloves are actually porous, if you were to put them under a strong enough microscope you will see that they actually have holes all over the surface.... Some may say "Well if we fill them with water why do they hold water".... The bottom line is molecular size. One molecule of H2O is too large to fit through the actual pores...But some pathogens fit easily thru them as they are smaller than the pores of the gloves.

An easy way to paint it would to be to place the gloves under the 'scope and relate the pores we see to say something like a volleyball net with big square holes in it.....

If we throw in a molecule of H2O in the same relation and scale it would be like throwing a basketball against the volleyball net.

If we throw in the most basic measurement of something like Hepatitis in scale it would be like throwing pennies at the volleyball net.....And it will fit thru readily and easily......

All of this is in relation to a glove without defect straight out of the box....not taking into account any of the things we add into the equation that aid in breaking them down....

Proper handwashing, and decon is the best method of prevention....

Bruce

What do you guys recommend for disinfectants and hand cleaners? That's a pretty scary picture you just described for us. Definitely points my ears!!

Rock on!

[needles]

great thread bruce!!!
and a damn good link needles.
now, what about nitrile gloves guys, cause my wife is allergic to latex ones and from the testing on that link holly sheeit i don't want her usin vinyl anymore!!! or if there is another solution gimme a hollar on it. not too much rush, we are currently shut down with moving into a new house, but i definately need ta find somethin other than vinyl.
thx in advance.
as medical waste is incinerated the disposal of vinyl gloves is problematic because the create dioxins which are carcenogenic. try this link for more info on protection levels..

http://www.smg-online.biz/library/Scientific_Findings.pdf#search=%22nitrile%20gloves %20as%20a%20bacteriological%20barrier%22

[needles]

www.smg-online.biz/library/Scientific_Findings.pdf sorry maybe this one

[hotdiggitydawg]

www.smg-online.biz/library/Scientific_Findings.pdf sorry maybe this one

Very interesting it has certainly raised my awareness, thanx needles...

[STARMedic]

Good links needles and thanks for all the replies people...

Bruce

[wickedstylesink]

great thread , very informative.
i wonder how many other tattooists out there know that latex gloves are pourus .
thanx for the great info!!!

[amoroque]

Definitely one of the best threads I've read, great information guys. Thank you!

[purple9111]

so yould you be safe if you change your gloves like every 20-30 min. (or safer)

[xxxMDKxxx@Gmail.com]

Damn, didn't I look like the dipshit.

[Rockabillytattoo]

I was talking to a freind of mine who is a nurse, and she absolutely agreed with the gloves being porous. She recommends doubling up on gloves and getting your HepA and B shots and washing your hands religiously!!!

[tewaza]

OK, checked the links needles put up, got nothing, was hoping someone could fill me in on the nitrile glove verdict. All I use is nitrile because some people alergic to latex dont know it. Well, that and I hate the way my hands look inside of them when they start sweating. That also makes you wonder about the true safety of condoms.

[Jonesey]

The bottom line is that it all boils down to proper handwashing. Dont trust a glove companies quality control practices when the sink is a few steps away.... If someone is allergic to latex then for sure use a safe alternative, but make sure you wash your hands thoroughly, properly and often.....

Jones