test?

[rot & roll]

I dunno, sounds elitist to myself and i'm the one posting, ... maybe people need to pass a test on sterilization / cross contamination etc to stay on or join the forum... would drive the basic health issues home... seig heil hahaha

[black raven]

amen! theres no elitist shit about it, i,m all for helping people out , but first things first. you dont need any qualifications to take and pass say an online cc course. i think having to prove that you took some sort of c.c.,or b.b.p, course to get on here is a great idea.

[junkyman]

I dunno guys, i mean a lot of countries dont have anything like that for people, it wouldnt really be fair to deny new people the absolute wealth of knowledge here just because they dont have any proof that they passed a test, im sorry if this is stepping on toes but i do think that is a bit elitist. sorry!

[rot & roll]

shit... i've shot myself in the foot!! lol. I better find myself a course!!??. I was actually thinking along the lines of something thats part of the site. Like a series of questions that have to be answered when virgin backyarders like myself want to become members, wrong answer no access till you get it right... It could randomly question existing members as a refresher course to keep people on their toes or bring to light new developments. i certainly don't want to take the shared knowledge away from anyone. It's far to invaluable a resource to keep under wraps. To me it just seemed to be the biggest issue for the industry from reading on this forum and thought it might be a good idea to make the issue hit home. Passive education more than overt elitism?
I agree with Junkyman with the fact that it would be impossible to deal with certification from non-US participants, which is ultimately unfair to the US contingent... i could send you a fancy text word document "certificate" and a photo of myself in a lab coat and spectacles!? Dr Pattel look out... food for though anyway. Buggered if i know how to actually do it in terms of techno computer boffin programming bollocks...

[junkyman]

Ha ha! Ill do you up one man! Im fairly handy on the old photoshop! I see what your getting at though, I understand what your saying the only thing i think is that if people get into the business it should be up to them to school themselves on proper techniques and protocol, i just think there could be a better way of doing it rather than saying if you get this wrong you cant join til you get it right, its all a bit too authoritarian for me!

[rot & roll]

yeah.. you're right. I feel that way myself. I gotta stop thinking out aloud so to speak. I sound like a fucking beaurocrat! Plus it would take all the fun out when someone comes on asking if lukewarm water and a brisk scrubbing with fairy liquid and a brillo pad is sufficient a procedure... or my favourite... the rice cooker. Nothing like learning the hard way :p

[rot & roll]

amen! theres no elitist shit about it, i,m all for helping people out , but first things first. you dont need any qualifications to take and pass say an online cc course. i think having to prove that you took some sort of c.c.,or b.b.p, course to get on here is a great idea.

Black Raven, is there such a course? I'm actually interested...

[junkyman]

I think it would be fantastic if NeedleJacks could do like an online course here in the forum, not just in sterilisation control and procedures but in other fields as well, sort of like a NeedleJacks school!Id be more than willing to give my free time to help out in whatever way i could, knowledge is power! The industry is taking hit after hit and I for one would love to see things change for the better, maybe it could be done as an offshoot to the forum, maybe even we could make some donations to get it up and going?

[black raven]

http://www.learnfirstaid.com/cart_builder.cfm?ProductID=993
as long as you can read English ,and have a computer it doesn't matter where your from in the world. now this is a pretty generic course that meets red cross/ OSHA requirements and its only 25 bucks. there are several courses like this on line, so do some research. one more time, keeping yourself safe and your clients safe is common sense , thats not an elitist.

[johnnynotoes]

damn good idea, thanks for that link :)

[rot & roll]

Black Raven, is there such a course? I'm actually interested...

found this... US$35 payment by cheque which is a pain

http://onlinebbp.com/

[jjbbuzz]

check this one out..http://www.emergencyuniversity.com/indi1.html

[johnnynotoes]

check this one out..http://www.emergencyuniversity.com/indi1.html

quality stuff, nice one fella

[black raven]

found this... US$35 payment by cheque which is a pain

http://onlinebbp.com/

contracting hep c is a bigger pain....................

[inipi67]

I did the one on Emergencyuniversity link back last year......I dont know....seemed a bit simplistic to me....I was a volunteer fireman/first responder back a few years ago, and remember the stuff we learned in that coarse as well as starting for my E.M.T....again I may be lookin' for more than what should be there, but just did'nt seem to cover everything thoroughly.


Peace Brothers R.:cool:

[black raven]

are these online courses simplistic? yes, by no means are they going to cover as much as a taught class such as the one the a.p.t. offers with a teacher standing there.. however that one is $300. my point here and it seems to be getting missed is ANYTHING is better than nothing which is what most on here have. this course is law in some states and required by the board of health here in n.j. so either take the class on line or go pay 300+ and have someone teach it to you, either way...get it done.......

[SPANISH SCOUSER]

http://ehs.sc.edu/modules/BBP/bbp_intro.htm you can get some info here

[rot & roll]

contracting hep c is a bigger pain....................

i hear ya... just having a whinge about the cheque hassle not the cost.

this is the one i should take, but it'd mean a lot of time off work which i can't afford...

http://www.tafensw.edu.au/howex/servlet/Course?Command=GetCourseModules&CourseNo=1875&RowNum=0

[rot & roll]

should this thread into sterilisation & CC, with all these links...:)

[jadefoodog]

are these online courses simplistic? yes, by no means are they going to cover as much as a taught class such as the one the a.p.t. offers with a teacher standing there.. however that one is $300. my point here and it seems to be getting missed is ANYTHING is better than nothing which is what most on here have. this course is law in some states and required by the board of health here in n.j. so either take the class on line or go pay 300+ and have someone teach it to you, either way...get it done.......

yeah in okla we have to have bbp first aid and cpr and take a 100 question test in a soundproof sealed glass room.

the a.p.t is a difficult test to get done because not everyone has 300 for the test plus the money to travel out of state and stay a couple days in a hotel all the while not being at the shop making money

[pb359]

Here's another route:

https://www.redcrossonlinetraining.org/Distance/Default.aspx?CID=72

[inipi67]

I am making an apology to all for the sake that my last post in this thread may have been misinterpretated.

By no way, shape or form did I intend it to sound like any coarse on BBP/CC was unnecessary. As far as I am concerned, just like many on here, BLOOD BORNE PATHOGEN/ CROSS CONTAMINATION, UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS is a MUST.Don't buy machines, supplies or kits, without doing your homework on these matters first.
I meant what I said as a "heads up" for the site EmergencyUniversity, it seemed like a ripoff to me and Iwas trying to watch out for fellow members.

BlackRaven is 100% right! take anything you can to promote yourself in this field! Anything is better than nothing....to an extant. My only concern lies in the fact that, if the coarse you take is not telling you the most it can, then you have to be suspicious of whether the things they are teaching you is correct. Iam not trying to spook anyone, or make it seem complicated. ITS NOT. These coarses are needed, whether its required by law in your state or not, they are a must. Do not get discouraged because it sounds complicated or because your not sure, do the best you can......but do SOMETHING.
It will give you a better feeling about yourself, because your educated. It will give you more confidence about your proceedures, and self pride that you accomplished yet one more thing on your road to being a PROFESSIONAL.

Again I apologize if I mislead anyone, I only had the best of intentions in mind for all, as I :cool: always do.


Peace Brothers Rick

[black raven]

thanks rick , very well said....

[L_Pease]

I have'nt looked at the online courses yet but if they seem to be lacking, it may be because it doesn't apply to the tattoo industry. There are some cities that have requirements very similar to what is required for minor out-patient surgery. Good to be clean, but also a bit overkill in relation to tattooing. It may be possible that these courses may be tailored towards certain fields. I took a seminar a couple of years back where the BBP teacher here in MI also spoke on OSHA guidelines as pertaining to tattooing and it was very frightening what they (OSHA) would like to require. There is no MI law yet, but if it goes down as stated it will price us all out of business.

[STARMedic]

Ive been workin with some folks developing a BBP/CC/First Aid Course specifically for the Body Art/Modification Industry, It addresses all aspects of the OSHA standard along with some slightly technical first aid almost akin to that of First Responder level technology. This work is in its final development phase and the test is being hammered out as we speak.

It will be online, and will also be accredited by a Physician.

One of the things I have been debating is what the serious public would be willing to pay for this type of certification. We are planning for it to be a one year certification with those returning the next year to pay a recert fee at a reduced rate.....

ANy takers?

Bruce

[jjbbuzz]

Ive been workin with some folks developing a BBP/CC/First Aid Course specifically for the Body Art/Modification Industry, It addresses all aspects of the OSHA standard along with some slightly technical first aid almost akin to that of First Responder level technology. This work is in its final development phase and the test is being hammered out as we speak.

It will be online, and will also be accredited by a Physician.

One of the things I have been debating is what the serious public would be willing to pay for this type of certification. We are planning for it to be a one year certification with those returning the next year to pay a recert fee at a reduced rate.....

ANy takers?

Bruce
sounds good to me, being that its set out for the art of tattooing/modification.... im in...!

[rot & roll]

i'll do it for sure :)

[hotdiggitydawg]

This is a good thread, and i totally agree with the original suggestion...

Good Idea Bruce, A coarse specifically for this industry that doesn't just cover the general precautions...... I'll be up for that...

[L_Pease]

What are you thinking cost wise for the initial start-up as well as re-upping annually? Also, it would probably make more sense to be accredited by some organization rather than "a physician" to give it a little more clout. I could forsee future situations where a government agency says "Dr. Who?" and makes you pay all over to take some sort of certification they deem suitable.

Just my $.02

[inkslinger]

Yeah i agree. I do think if people are serious about tattooing they should be responsible to there clients and themselves hygiene wise. BUT i live in Vietnam and there's nothing you can do here because it's not recognised as a legitimate business. In fact as far as i can find out, it's illegal. They think here that if you have a tatt then your either a loose girl or a mafia guy. Funny place.

[rot & roll]

i posted this in another thread... here's a corrospondence course from Australia. It's open to overseas people also... aint cheap but better than nothing

http://www.oten.edu.au/oten/study/courses/listz.cfm

open link and enter this course code in the search bit

1875